Les résultats des rooms ne sont pas si bons!

Si on en croit les commentaires officiels des sites et ce que l’on trouvent dans les journaux pour nous rassener que « la libéralisation » des jeux est une bonne chose et que tout le monde est content.
Derrière cette façade, les langues commencent à se délier et l’ARJEL continue de se voiler la face (les remarques sont Vilotte sont révélatrices) .
Voici un excellent article de non mon excellent site d’info sur le poker egrmagazine.com
(mais en anglais)
France marks disappointing debut 25/10/2010 by Stephen Carter
France marks disappointing debut

The tipping point behind Ladbrokes’ decision to pull out of France before it had even launched operations may have been sparked by bolted-on VAT charges, but the market’s below-par performance since its launch four months ago has played an equally significant part in the UK operator’s withdrawal.

Indeed, while figures on the huge sums being spent on marketing and advertising by large companies in the first few months of France’s opening have made for interesting reading, until recently precious little impartial data on how this was translating into the size of the legal market had been forthcoming.

The incongruity between the comments of Bwin’s Norbert Teufelberger in August that he expected his company to make a profit there by 2011, and those of other new entrants (see Isabelle Parize of Mangas Gaming’s comments in the Q&A in the forthcoming issue of eGR), also gave little clarity. This however changed two weeks ago, when French regulator ARJEL published its first set of figures on the legal market’s performance in the first four months since it opened in June.

Released to French newspaper La Tribune, prominence was given to figures clearly aimed at demonstrating the dynamism and scale of an opening that has generated many miles of column inches and much debate in the country. Two million accounts had been opened, revealed ARJEL, with an average of 500,000 active players a week betting an average of €100 every seven days.

Other figures, however, provided a more revealing picture of how the newly regulated market is developing. It is just one quarter the size ARJEL had estimated the offshore market to have reached prior to regulation and, considering this includes PMU and FDJ, this is less than impressive.

However, the organisation’s president, Jean-Francois Vilotte, appearing on a panel at the Sportel event in Monaco two days later, refuted an audience member’s suggestion that conditions were causing players to gamble more yet were not providing sufficient value for money to attract customers to legal sites, and correspondingly affecting the French government’s tax take.

“The aim was to go from illegal to legal demand without an explosion of demand. We did not want more online gaming or for this to explode. We are in line with what we anticipated before we implemented the system. For the French government, this was never tax related. There has been much parliamentary debate about this – we hardly have an explosion,” he said.

Indeed, while Mangas Gaming CEO Nicolas Beraud was understandably pleased with ARJEL’s figures with his company’s BetClic brand capturing around 40% of legal sports bets placed since France’s opening, he said on a panel the next day that this was a share of a “tiny” market.

ARJEL itself admitted a few days earlier that the sports betting market had performed below expectations, particularly on football, accounting for 56% of stakes during the four-month period, compared to ARJEL’s projection of 70-80%.

Beraud placed the blame firmly at the door of the French authorities’ high tax and betting duties, low payback ratio and arduous player registration process, telling the audience: “There are 13 licences for sports betting, we understand there are some more pending, so there will probably be 16 or 17 over the next few months. According to ARJEL, the market will be €160-€200m a year, with the tax rate, you keep €80m and if you divide by 15 operators you have €5.6m a year, so it is a tiny market. There is not a lot of room for many companies.”

Conditions needed to change urgently if the country’s sports betting market was to provide attractive enough incentives to draw players to legal sites and for the French government to meet its player protection goals, said Beraud. “Over the next two to three years, we will have a maximum of three to four companies offering sports betting if we stay under the same conditions. We always spend too much [on tax] but it is crazy. We are paying three to four times the tax of the UK or Italy. For sports betting it is not possible to be profitable.”

But with the horseracing market performing in line with forecasts reaching €215m in four months and allowing PMU to capture the bulk of this, its representative on the panel was perhaps understandably less prepared than his counterparts to call for the French government to change underlying conditions when they come up for official review late next year.

“If illegal operators are controlled and are sanctioned, then we can live with the level of taxation. It is important punters cannot be playing on other foreign operators’ sites”, PMU’s head of international development, Aymeric Verlet, told the audience.

Dommage je capte pas grand chose :frowning:
Un petit résumé serait le bienvenu.

roro22 wrote:

[quote]Dommage je capte pas grand chose :frowning:
Un petit résumé serait le bienvenu.[/quote]

Pareil pour moi … sujet intéréssant mais texte incompréhensible pour moi et ma petite connaissance basique de l’anglais

En gros ils disent que les resultats des paries en lignes sont pas du tout en ligne avec les previsions de l’AREJ sur le foot… Que dans les 2-3 ans les site de parie en ligne ne seront plus que 4-5 car le business n’est pas assez profitable a 15 operateur au vu du CA et des taxes francaises…

Concernant le poker ils disent a peu pres la meme chose que l’AREJ a savoir 2 millions d’inscrit 500 k de regulier qui depense en moyenne 100 eur par semaine depuis l’ouverture…

L’info de fond de cet article c’est que le marché francais est un “tiny market” et que les taxes n’arranges rien. par consequent le nombre d’operateur ne peux que diminuer a l’avenir car pas assez gros le gateau pour que tt le monde puisse en profiter aussi bien ds le domaine du parie en ligne que celui du poker…

Les taxes apparaissent comme trop importante par rapport au marché potentiel et donc la profitabilité des rooms est tte relative pour le moment car trop d’operateur (marché francais 200-300M tu gardes que 80M de benef les reste c des taxes tu divises par le nbre d’operateur 15-17 ca fait 80M divisé par 17 = 4,7M de CA par room)

bon traduction a la va vite mais ya l’idee directrice :wink: Si j’ai oublié une idée un meilleur traducteur completera en passant par la :slight_smile:

Il est évident pour moi que dans 2/3ans il ne restera que 3/4 rooms.

Merci Deep Epsi :wink:

r4ch0n wrote:

Raise/call/fold/allin and that’s it?

Sympa l’article sinon

Vince79 wrote:

[quote]r4ch0n wrote:

Raise/call/fold/allin and that’s it?

Sympa l’article sinon[/quote]

Lol non quand même pas, je matte même des series en VO sans sous titres (ben ouais c’est plus simple qu’on l’imagine) mais là j’avais un peu la flemme et y’avait des termes pas évidents ! Du coup, merci a Deep Epsi

oui, toute fason, on voit bien que certaine room on vraimant un volume faible.

En fait pour les connaisseurs, c’est de faire le lien entre les différents interview de l’ARJEL et notamment celles de Jean-Francois Vilotte.
Tout comme au poker, il est interessant de comprendre comme fonctionne l’autre même si le discours est souvent codé.

En gros, pas dans cet article mais dans d’autres :

  • C’est normal que les rakes soient importants car c’est pour dissuader les joueurs de jouer (comme celà on lutte contre l’adddition)

  • Nous voulons que tous les sites illégaux deviennent légaux et nous avons des exigences importantes pour freiner l’engouement à nous rejoindre (Décryptage : actuellement 13 sites de mémoire , à terme 16/17 loins des 50 prévu initialement)

  • A la question de savoir pourquoi les taxes et les rakes sont 3 ou 4 fois plus importants que par exemple les points it en Italie. Pas vu de réponses si
    ce n’est "parce ce que c’est comme celà (ou se référer au le 1er point).

Consternant mais logique

Sir MafioSo wrote:

tu vera ca vaetrele cas deja en juin!